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July 13, 2015

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Joe Neisser

Thanks for posting this very interesting blog. I appreciate your reconstruction of the deconstruction. When I heard Stanley's take-down of the philosopher's fiction "know how" several years ago at SSPP, it struck me as a very powerful idea. As you point out, one of the key moves is to distinguish the analysis of the propositional structure of knowledge from (a) cognitive neuroscience and (b) linguistic ability. But what follows? I suspect that Stanley's work is far more devastating and destructive to enactivist/embodiment philosophers than might be thought from reading this blog. You seem to suggest that deconstructing this distinction will show how it operates to privilege intellectualism/Platonism. But the philosopher's fiction of "know how", traceable directly to Ryle's (anglophone version of Heidegger's) post-Cartesian subjectivity, is at the very core of enactivism and the so-called "sensory-motor" theory. Your point that even intellectual labor requires savoir fare is well made and significant in its own right. But without the distinction between knowing-that and knowing-how, it starts to like a whole cottage industry is tilting at windmills. I write that it *looks like* this might be the case - I am interested in whether it is so. What do you think? What does Stanley think?

John Protevi

Hi Joe, thanks, that's a good, tough question. I'm going to have to think about it for a while. But I wanted to let you know I've seen it.

Joe Neisser

Sorry for the typos. Ugh.

Jason Stanley

Joe - I think what you think. I think it undermines the enactivist program.

John Protevi

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Jason’s work undermines enaction, which is, after all, a large, multifaceted, and ongoing research framework.

Now Jason’s work has certainly led me to question the way some of my previous formulations about human skills were caught in a bad binary between (1) the hyper-intellectualist or let’s say classical (Platonic / Aristotelian) position that knowledge requires verbal articulation of principles and (2) an inverted image in which bodily skills inhere in a non-verbal “artisanal sensitivity.” (Here is a blog post in which I look at some of the formulations in my 2001 book, Political Physics [http://proteviblog.typepad.com/protevi/2015/01/rereading-_political-physics_-in-light-of-stanley-and-krakauer-2013.html]; the current post is basically a rewrite of one of the analyses in the Plato chapter of that book; there’s a Heidegger reads Aristotle chapter in there that would need some nuancing as well.)

Bringing Jason’s deflationary sense of propositional knowledge as scaffolding motor acuity to allow motor skill to bear on traditional representations of the division of labor in human societies makes us emphasize the knowledge aspects of “artisanal” work. That’s a great achievement and lets us intervene in all sorts of contemporary political debates.

Now as I see it, the main target of enaction is the sensory input – cognition (as manipulation of symbols) – motor output schema. If the middle part is close enough to hyper-intellectualism then enaction and Jason share a common target: they both want to dethrone the idea that human skill performance comes about from consulting verbally articulable principles.

Enaction aims then to replace that schema with one in which cognition is the direction of action of an organism in its “enacted” or co-constituted world. So the question becomes whether such directed action is just the inverted image of non-knowledge-based "bodily sensitivity" that is Jason’s other target. It's anti-(hyper)-intellectualist, to be sure, but does fall prey to Jason's critique by excluding non-verbally-articulable propositional knowledge?

Here's a very important wrinkle though. One of the most interesting things for me about enaction as a framework is the “mind in life” or “continuity thesis” which locates cognition in the “sense-making” operations even of single-celled organisms (this is basically Francisco Varela’s autopoiesis plus Ezequiel Di Paolo’s adaptivity).

So one question would be, how far down the phylogenetic trail does Jason's deflationary sense of propositional knowledge go? Although I'm probably willing to accept that primates have non-verbal propositional knowledge, I have a hard time thinking that single-celled organisms do.

Of course, enactivists recognize the immense labor necessary to discuss the qualitative changes in cognition we see in the evolution of multi-cellulars, all the way to human skill, where I think Jason’s work resides.

The 2010 MIT collection Enaction, edited by John Stewart, Olivier Gapenne, and Di Paola, lays out some of the directions of research the enactive framework encompassed 7 or 8 years ago; there’s a lot more of it now, for instance this collection in Frontiers: http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fpsyg.2015.00234/full

Aaron Zimmerman

Thanks for this. I've been working on the nature of belief for 15 years or so (I'm currently updating the view I published as "The Nature of Belief" which incorporates distinctions between procedural knowledge, declarative knowledge and affective knowledge) and it's typical among those writing on this topic to say that cognitive "flexibility" (and stimulus independence) marks the transition from instinct and habit to belief. Lots of people question this: e.g. Dennett attributes phototropism in plants to their beliefs about the direction of light, but it seems to me to be the standard conception among those (who remain in the majority) who allow inarticulable beliefs. I.e. it is standard to think that belief precedes language. (Dennett even calls articulable or language-dependent views "opinions" and explicitly says they are not beliefs.) But I'll have to read Di Paolo and those who read belief (or knowledge) into single celled organisms. (Is this part of the recent movement of many philosophers toward panpsychism that I've been seeing?) BTW: I was with the Stanley/Krakauer piece up until they say, "at some point, all such knowledge will rest on knowledge of basic actions, such as grasping an object or lifting one's arm. These activities are not skills; they are not acquired by or improved upon by training in adult life. Their manifestation is nevertheless under our voluntary control." This seems wrong to me. Infants learn to control their limbs (i.e. adjust movements in adaptive ways to environmental feedback) and some adults must do so when recovering from stroke etc. Why not just say this is a basic skill?

John Protevi

Thanks, Aaron. I don't think Di Paolo would use the terms "belief" or "knowledge" for the sort of sense-making he sees at work in single-celled organisms. They don't show up in the papers of his I know. Here are two papers of his.

This is on "adaptivity," which he sees as a necessary adjunct to autopoiesis: http://users.sussex.ac.uk/~inmanh/adsys10/Readings/DiPaolo_-_Autopoiesis_adaptivity_teleology_agency_-_PhenCogSci_2005.pdf

This one is about modeling the behavior / metabolism connection in E Coli: https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/alife/0262290758chap42.pdf

Joe Neisser

Hi John & thanks for the reply. I certainly agree there is an I an interesting convergence in the ideas. The "psychologistic" notion that knowledge requires explicit internal sentences in propositional form is rejected. But now one threat is that embodiment reverts to "mere implementation" of functional architecture... I don't think that's right. Embodiment does male a difference somewhere along the line ...

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