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June 14, 2010

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Sean Smith

John, I agree with you fully about the general premise of the argument. Most certainly you can understand sport as a cultural form that can have a literacy marking one as "reasonably cultured."

But I'm afraid you lose me when you switch to the particulars of your quiz. Ignoring, for a moment, the slippery potential (in)distinctions between highbrow and lowbrow that remain on the periphery of your argument, the questions themselves in my view are not great for determining a "cultural literacy" of sport.

Perhaps a few points to consider for future quizzing:

1. Sport is based around the event in a way that classical European music is (mostly) not. If we were to be culturally aware of the latter we would expect to know genres, composers, how various instruments contribute to the final work, etc., but we would be less likely to know specific concert performances. Sport seems to demand more of an indexing of events in its literacy -- not sure if this is fair.

2. US-centric!! 3 out of 5 questions are "American"-based? Most people outside of the USA would have no idea what the NCAA is, let alone why we should care if they weren't the best in the world at their sport (and despite Gable's excellence, he was competing against 20-year old American college kids -- and whoever beat him is the very lapse into trivia you said you'd avoid). While basketball is certainly more globalized, the triple-post offense (also developed in the NCAA) only transcends the American NBA culture due to worldwide television broadcasts.

3. I think that questions #2 and #3 are the best ones here, as they display the type of "cross-cultural" literacy that would show understanding of gestural qualities that make each version of the sport so unique -- without lapsing too much into the eventedness described earlier. After all, there is only so much time in one's life!

John Protevi

Dear Sean, thanks very much for these great comments.

1. Yes, the event focus on sports is probably greater than that for European classical music. But even then there are great debates about conductors and interpretations and performance, no? "I was there the night in Milan that Callas sang XYZ: it was the greatest of her career!" And there would be even more event focus for jazz, I think. Or maybe not: is there one best "Night in Tunisia" that Dizzy Gillespie did out of the thousands of times he did the tune? Finally, I don't know enough about dance to say much, but there's an interesting discussion of the dance transcription system in Daniel Stern's wonderful new book, _Forms of Vitality_ (Oxford, 2010).

2. Guilty as charged -- but only for the most part. Isn't Dan Gable world famous? He did win gold in Munich after all. And note that Gable was himself a college kid when competing in the NCAA. In any case, what I was after in the Gable vs Smith comparison was a sort of technique vs conditioning comparison. Of course Gable had great technique and Smith was superbly conditioned. But I have the impression that they are sort of archetypes for those attributes in wrestling.

3. I think you mean 2 and 4 are the best questions, in that soccer (football) and track (athletics) are global sports?

Sean Smith

I meant #2 and #3 in that they both refer specifically to what for lack of a better term we could describe as "cultural variations" within a gestural language that is soccer or basketball. Total football and the triple post offense would best test that cultural element, in my opinion. Track is a global sport, yes, but #4 is really just a more sophisticated version of the bar-stool debate that attempts to compare athletes from different eras, and devolves into opinion more readily than a more "pure" cultural literacy would.

Anyways, dunno if I have been really clear, since I *think* I know what I am trying to say much more clearly than I am actually saying it......but hope we can continue the discussion in the future!

John Protevi

Okay, I see what you're saying. Good point. Though I think you can approach #4 somewhat objectively in terms of advances over previous WRs, the amazing range of Aouita, and so on. But you're general point would hold I think, though I'll want to ponder the "variation on gestural language" aspect of running. Swimming is much more technical in that water resistance punishes lapses in form so severely, so technique rather than power is really what counts. (Apparently Phelps generates a considerable amount less force on his strokes, but he's so streamlined he makes up for that and more by his body position.) Whereas air resistance and track friction allow a wider range of in efficient running forms. But it would be fun to get really technical about running styles. Especially the bit about relaxation in sprinters being the key to a smaller deceleration after 60 meters (where everyone decelerates, but Carl Lewis and Usain Bolt being prime examples of lower rates of deceleration due to their ability to relax.)

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